Sep 172009
 

       It is stated respectfully that we, a sum of about 1000 Pakistani students reached here in Cuba on the course of Medical Studies, when Cuban Government offered 1000 scholarships to Pakistani students. Since our arrival we have found unsatisfying living conditions, which were not up to our expectations. Second year of MBBS is about to finish, however there are still many critical problems unresolved. Our students’ representatives met the Cuban Officials to discuss the matters of “Study Duration”, “Medical Practice” and “The Campus facilities”. They informed us that these matters had been discussed with our Government. The question rises, “Why the Government took the crucial decision of sending 1000 students, selected on the merit base, under such circumstances?” We are forced to say that a great irresponsibility has been shown by our Government as she has sent the best students from all over the Pakistan without analyzing; the basic educational facilities (e.g. hospital availability, laboratories and dissection halls etc.) and the living conditions provided to the students.

       We are very much frustrated and feel our future on stake, as we do not even know whether our degree is valid or not.

The details of the issues are following

 

1.      According to the deed of agreement (the judicial stamp paper) between the HEC and students, we had to study in the world leading Medical University of Cuba. It was also advertised in the newspaper. Sir! Our school, by no definitions of the world, can be called a world leading university and is not included into ELAM.  ELAM is a system of medical education in Cuba, which provides its students with better facilities. The students stay in the main campus in Havana for the first two years and then they are shifted to various Provincial Medical Faculties with attached hospitals. This system is far better than ours. Here it’s worth mentioning that we are studying under a new system still, “Nuevo Programa de Formación de los Médicos” (New Program of Formation Doctors), which is totally different from ELAM. Recently, our campus was a Spanish language learning school and now it is the medical school.  It lacks basic facilities, like library, proper laboratory, no specimens (The dead bodies etc) are available for the dissection, and even the nearest hospital is far away from our school. How can one think of a medical school without any hospital attached? Staying in the same campus for the next 6 years, we could not get the quality education and medical practice. All around the world in the recognized medical institutions, the Hospital Practice is obligatory from the 3rd Year, however in our case, only one trimester comprising of 12 weeks is dedicated to the medical practice in some hospital and the rest of time we shall stay at the same school.

We should be treated like the students of ELAM. Now, we are in the 2nd year of Medicine and we must be shifted to proper faculties of Medicine with attached hospitals like that of Havana, Camagüey or Santiago de Cuba, divided into no more than two groups.

 

 

2.      In the advertisement of HEC and in the legal papers submitted to HEC, it was clearly stated that we will receive a 1 year Spanish language course and 5 years of medical studies (total duration being 6 years). Here the situation is different. According to the system, we have to go through a 1 year language course plus 6 years MBBS course, making the total duration of studies, 7 years. Then we will have to do the house job for 1 year in Pakistan. So, in total the whole process will take about 8 years and one golden year of our life will be wasted.

We want our medical program to end in December 2012 (Lasting 6 years in total) as written in the advertisement and the legal papers. We want to get the surety that our house job should be in Pakistan, and that it will be provided immediately after our return.

 

3.      1000 Pakistani students have been sent by the Government of Pakistan, in a contract at the level of the two governments. It is proclaimed world over that the Cuban Medicine is the best around the globe, but still the PMDC does not recognize this system. The PMDC has recognized a couple of medical universities of China, where the students study on self-finance basis on their own expenses. We were selected on the merit basis and we are among the best students of Pakistan.

The PMDC must recognize this degree and the system, and we shall be allowed to work as medical practitioners in Pakistan without appearing in the PMDC exam.

 

4.      It is stated respectfully that according to PC 1 for the scholarship project of 1000 Pakistani students studying in Cuba, the amount of stipend decided was 100 Dollars per student per month (equivalent to 80 Euros more or less) with an increment of 5 Dollars per year. However we have been receiving a sum of 30 Euros per month during the first year and 50 Euros per month onwards without any increment. The question of the hour is that if 80 Euros per month was allocated for each student then why HEC has been paying 30 Euros and afterwards 50 euros per student? Where has gone the rest of amount? In a meeting of Senate standing committee, HEC and the Ministry of Education personnel held in Islamabad, it was already approved that the stipend must be raised to 100 EUROS but no practical step has been taken. There are students from other countries like Djibouti, Mali, and Yemen etc. who receive an amount of about 200-250 Euros/month. Keeping in view some basic needs and the price hike in Cuba, we find stipend not enough to fulfill our basic needs. Some details are mentioned below:

a.      TRANSPORT: In all the academic institutes of the world special buses are provided to the students for the transportation purposes. In our case, the nearest city is 15Km far from our school and we have been in an utter need of school transport. In the beginning, the transport was promised by the HEC and Cuban Government. This promise was never fulfilled. However at the same time Chinese Students, who are localized in the same locality under the same circumstances, have been provided with the buses for transportation. So, we had to arrange the transport on our on. All the students raise funds monthly and pay for the transportation. We have to pay a heavy amount for this purpose i.e. almost equivalent to Rupees 1 Lac (Rs 1,00,000) monthly.

b.      INTERNET: The necessity of internet is inevitable in this modern era. We have not been provided Worldwide Internet facilities. The internet provided to us is an INTRANET with an access to local e-mail server and some local websites. The international websites are blocked like Yahoo, Hotmail etc that we could use for the better communication purposes. We need a full fledge Internet access in order to access the online Study Material. We are almost cut off from our families and the rest of the world. Near to us, there are two faculties (AJ-39 and J-32) of Chinese Students in the same locality of Jagüey Grande (one faculty AJ-32 is just 2Km away from us). In these schools full access to Worldwide Internet has been provided to the students and their Government pays for it. Our Government has always been silent to this matter so, we decided to get the internet on our own expenditure. It costs 2120 CUC monthly (equivalent to Rs. 2,12,000 more or less) + an installation fee of 1800 CUC (equivalent to almost Rs. 1,80,000).

c.      GENERAL EXPENSES: Apart from the above mentioned main expenses, religious and cultural activities, there are various other basic needs like food, stationary clothing and communication etc. which demand a fair share of our stipend. Some examples of the general commodities are given below:

Normal quality t-shirt:                                             10 to 15 CUC (Rs 1000 to 1500)

Jeans:                                                                 20 CUC (Rs 2000)

Calling Card (for 2 minutes call to Pakistan):  10 CUC (Rs 1000)

I kg powdered milk:                                          6 CUC (about Rs 600)

 

       For these basic needs, the stipend is always insufficient and students face economic crisis. There is no option of part time job and our parents can not afford sending money to us every month, as majority of students belong to lower middle class families. Our parents sent us to Cuba under the Fascinating Subject “FULLY FUNDED SCHOLARSHIP”. If the parents send the money, they will have to pay heavy transaction costs (i.e. 10-15%). According to PC 1 the stipend should be 110 USD (considering 5% annual increment), that is not being accomplished by the HEC. Keeping in view all the above mentioned expenditures, we request that our stipend must be increased to 200 Euros monthly so that we may make the both ends meet and fulfill our basic needs easily.

*As recommended by the Senate standing committee and the Ministry of Education personnel.

 

5.      Cuba and Pakistan are two countries on two opposite corners of the globe. The problems of communication are known to everyone due to which, a sense of homesickness and remoteness prevails all the time. One ticket was provided to us by HEC after completion of two years. This trip helped us a lot to recover our lost energies and, we came back with a new passion and enthusiasm to work hard to be a good doctor who may serve the country in the best possible way. For the rest of the duration (i.e. 4-5 years) no ticket will be provided according to the HEC. We request that at least one more roundtrip ticket must be provided after next two years for a visit to home. This has also been recommended by the Senate Standing Committee and Ministry of Education and they have suggested the same to the HEC.

 

We expect an amiable consideration of all the above matters. Kind positive answers are awaited with humble gratitude.

All the Pakistani students of Maximo Santiago Haza.

[lastupdated]

Mohammad AbdulRahim

  67 Responses to “THE PLIGHT OF PAKISTANI MEDICAL STUDENTS IN CUBA”

  1. there is no need for much euros to these students because they have novias and girlfriends that why they need more and more money to use those girls thats why they are demonding for money

  2. hello, i wanted to ask that i am a student of part 2 fsc pre eng but want to do medical now . What do I do??
    plz help

  3. @ALI

    LOL ! You’r off course right :D those guys do have alot of GFs there and are practicing BELLY DANCE alot :D but other problems are real ;)
    and what about those Paki girls yara? They would have surely now become more ______

  4. allah aapki hifazat kara

  5. JUST ENJOY THE PREETY GIRLS OF CUBA …… AND KEEP PRACICING WITH THEM U WILL ENJOY

  6. unn larkioun ka kia ho ga jo uder scholars ban ker gai thein.mujh se woe rabta kerain main unn ko hakeem ka pata deta houn.HUAY unn k liye free advice hai HAKEEM BAN JAIEN……..
    ALL THE BEST HAKEEMAS of future

  7. sari girls ager doctor ban jaien tou boyz k liye b problem hai naa ………samja karo g
    huay phir woe shadi ki b requirement bara dein gi.
    Aur unn k ami auba k liye b problem hai hai na samja karo g……………

  8. mjy tu apny wali ke bht tention hy pta nai kse ho ge wo mn os sy bht piyar krta hu or aaj os ke bht yaad aa rai hy. pr os ny mjy kbe like nai keya kaash os ko dykh sakon i love her so much. GOD BLESS HER. my pray always for her. she is frm muzaffrabad.

  9. yar tntion hy koi mjy cuba medical collage ke side dy dy plz. js mn mjy result ya kuc asa mil jai mn os ka naam search kr sakon naam phr k he sakoon mil jai ga. kia baywakoofi kr raha hu mjy asa lagta hy jsy wo mra comment pharhy ge. vl let c kia hota hy mjy tu yaqeen hy k asa hoga. kbi na kbi tu mulakaat ho ge. mn ny tu os ka face b kbe nai dykha phr b ek hope hy jo kahtam nai hote. aaj dil mn aag lage hy.

  10. everything is fine in cuba.they are shifting pakistani students into leading cuban medical institutes from third year.cuban medicine is famous all over the world.medical treatment is provided free of cost there cuban hospiatls.we faced some difficulties there also but everything will be fine future because cuban government is trying to provide us with all facilities.i will request pakistani government to fulfill thier promises.please increse our stipened and give pakistani students two return tickets that they can meet with thier parents.we will be thankful if you give us more facilties.

  11. Visiting Havana, Cuba in August, 2010 for a week. Will appreciate if someone may let me know if there are some Halal Food restaurants there.
    Any suggestions for a first time visitor to Cuba ! Many thanks.

  12. @ riaz
    there was a halal food restaurant named as Jasmin,, but recently they werent offering dishes with halal meat. however you can find in superstores packets of crude halal meat
    @everyone
    all the issues described above were orignal, however all the stttudy related problems has been resolved after the shifting of the stduents from jaguey grande to Santa clara, sancti spiritus and cienfuego..in a big city the requirement are even bigger. the food is pathetic,, so need of an increment in the stipend is indispensable.
    @everyone
    i dont know why everything has to end in girls,, it is not the end of the world.. there are many other issues involed….but i think our nation can never ever be serious

  13. i have completed our intermediat .now take admission in cuba in mbbs pleaze tell me the procedere of cuban schorship

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  16. well as one of my friend shah-e-alam mentioned that all the problems now have been sorted and all the students have been shifted to the main university campuses still a lot remains to be dine on behalf of the pakistani government and HEC.problem of residence still previals and the amount of 50 euros per month is too small to meet our needs.those who dare to say not to increase the stipend and give excuses of girlfriends are invited wholeheartedly to visit and live in cuba for a month and look in how much money they manage their monthly budget.all i can say about such kind of people is that they people dont have full knowledge of conditions over there.
    if some one cannot give any constructive idea then its better for him to remain silent

    • i wanna take help in medical subjects means m medical student in foreign and want to know about the subjects and pattern in pakistan……………

      • pakistan has no medical facilities through out the whole islamic world. There are nearly 5 to 7 subjects each year. Every medical college or university has its own hospital, which helps students to learn a great deal. But 1 thing I don’t like, when the studies are completed every doctor want to earn money and get rich, which is inhuman.

  17. hello everyone
    i want to know what is the procedure to take part mastwer level study at cuba ? is there any scholarship for master level . what will be requirements for fresh mbbs graduate student ? also if there is any cuba university who are providing scholarship for master level please send me name and webbsite i will be very thankful for your kindness

  18. hello everyone
    i want to know what is the procedure to take part master level study in medicine or surgery at cuba universites ? is there any scholarship for master level . what will be requirements for fresh mbbs graduate student ? also if there is any cuba university who are providing scholarship for master level please send me name and webbsite i will be very thankful for your kindness

  19. SIR,
    I ‘ve passed f.sc.exam with 87%.now i want to get admission in cuban medical college for MBBS.is any way avaliable now,or any schalorship is avaliable for MBBS or any country for pakistani students.

  20. after reading this page i was too much worried for the students..
    i am from littman consultants. study adviser in china. so if any 1 interested please do write to us . we are more than welcome.
    thriving for your better future.
    dr.Sohaib

    • salam dears,
      i m ahmad from peshawar pakistan. i had done fsc in pre medical now looking for scholarship for cuba..plz any one can tell me the procedure??? i will be thank full if any one inform me about taht…
      thank you

  21. If the study is not yet recognized by PM DC( Pakistan Medical & Dental Council ), why r u guys wasting ur time on it.One year of a doctor’s life is worth USD60,000.00 . so think again and if any of our colleges is able to help the out, please HELP. JazakAllah please do realy try to help them out

  22. hy kia ho raha hy ap cuba main kesa feel kar rahe ho jani
    kia problem hy 2nd batch walon k sath in cuba reply me must iam worried about u

  23. reply me about your hardships in cuba plz

  24. May ALLAH bless u …..

  25. this is one of the main university of the world.A good medical university.we have intelligent professor, and we are practing well.
    es la mejore universidad y mejor professors del mundo.universidad de sanctispititu es mejor que en el mundo.viva cuba y viva fidel castro comandante de nosotros.

  26. For ur kind information pakistani students who study in medical university of cuba it is ciencia medica and they will get ELAM degree which is recognized by WHO and all the world accept it.and another thing that all of the students who has write bad words about the medical students of cuba.i want to tell them that these are the medial students and they are in cuba,it is a scholorship of H.S.C .and you people can not get it.stay in pakistan and do the fucking things there.all of u are gays.fuck each other and this is ur future…hahahhahahahahhahahahahahha

  27. salam dears,
    i m ahmad from peshawar pakistan. i had done fsc in pre medical now looking for scholarship for cuba..plz any one can tell me the procedure??? i will be thank full if any one inform me about taht…
    thank you

  28. Hello everybody. These students are satisfied with the quality of education in Cuba, I hope they will become good doctors in future and they will be capable of serving the ailing humanity in Pakistan. We should expect for good not pass the bloody comments without knowing the facts. 50 EUROS do not meet expenditures per month, it is their genuine right for demanding extra rupees to manage their necesities. It is up to Govt. of Pakistan

  29. Sir, I want admission in MBBS in Cuba because the education in cuba is very good and recently i passed my FSc. examination contact me at 0321-4637902

  30. LMAO . I read this whole page awesome argument. I got a lot of respect for both of you , Pakistanis and Cubans alike. I just have a few questions , if I finished 3 years of medicine so far in Egypt ( with the 4th year containing E.N.T , ophthalmology , Forensics etc. ) then is it possible for me to continue from that level in Cuba ? Because I obviously don’t want to start from the beginning . And of course I can have money sent to me from the outside once I’m there right ? Thanks in advance and good luck to all of you future and current medical students . Peace

  31. SALAM ………..!!!
    I M MEDICAL STUDENT THERE IN CUBA .I wana inform u all that medical education in cuba is 100 times much better than that of pakistan .WE are in the world leading medical universities which are original campuses of ELAM .i wana also inform that well equiped hospital is also attached with the university n each of us has oppertunity to paractice in any time there in the hospitals.OUR professores are subject specialists wd the experience of atleast 35 years.n they are very cooperative …every thing is provided to us without any problem ..living conditiones are highly ranked n we are in the center of the main city. I WANT TO CLARIFY THAT OUR DEGREE NAME IS …….MD…..FROM ELAM..which is recognized by WHO , ECFMG (USA) AND MEDICAL BARD OF CALIFORNIA.
    to differentiate MD with MBBS every one can search on wikipedia and on google …!!!
    N HERE COMES COMMON SENSE ALSO THAT ELAM THAT IS OUR UNIVERSITY NAME INCLUDES STUDENTS FROM 49 COUNTRIES OF THE CONTINENENTS OF AMERICA INCLUDING USA ,AFRICA N ASIA….HOW CAN IT BE BAD????WHILE ALL MEDICAL COLLEGES N UNIVERSITIES IN PAKISTAN ARE ONLY NATIONAL BASED..ONE CAN THINK THIS CLEARLY..N PROFESSOR BEAHVIOURS CAN ALSO BE NOTED HERE .!!!!
    FOR MORE DETAILS ONE CAN VISITE ON THE OFFICIAL WEBSITE OF HEC
    WHICH IS ………www.hec.gov.pk …..here is clearly attached PMDC NOC ,PMDC REPORT ..CUBAN EMBESSEDOR LETTER AND LETTER OF CUBAN DEPTY MINISTER OF HEALTH….ALL THESE LETTERS WILL ALSO CLARIFY UR QUESTONES……..THANX

    • hi brother i will b very thanks ful to u if u can mail me here nomi1983@yahoo.com u are luking b gud boy so plz i need help do mail me then i will explain u everything there

    • can u tell me about the requirments to get admission in cuba any web site

      • mery cy rabta karo main cuba cy wapis aya hn aby…

        • Hi dear kashif I am going to cuba please tell me lot of cuba about i am go for visit how can i get work and visa extend where i live i have no any friend and relation in cuba please write me any coprative person adress .thank so much . my email= goshy777@yahoo.com

    • Dear Rana, I may agree with u what u say… but dear this is not the head ache of HEC or Cuban Embassy, there is problem with PMDC which is not ready to register u…..
      I m a Lecturer in a University and i m kind to my students and sincere as well.
      Moreover, i have information through reliable resources that Pakistani students are not under the head of ELAM.
      and very very sorry to say that i personally know to some pakistani students who are involved with girls leaving their main aim of MBBS behind.
      take the oath of allah and quran,… r u reading and learning sincerely or u r just wasting ur time. because today u may have girls but tomorrow u may not and u may lose age time and profession…

      Sincerely yours….

    • salam rana bhai hope you must great , please i need info from you ,please contact me on this email syyedmaaz.khan@gmail.com

  32. Hey Guys,
    Why don’t u write a letter 2 Raul Castro the president of Cuba. And remind him of his revolutionary friend Che Guavera he will do a little help. And if this won’t help collect CHANDA. It surely will help…

  33. plz help me i want to go cuba for study can u tell me that procedure

  34. Assalam-u-alikum
    Sir,
    I have completed my matric with 89% marks and F.Sc with 84% marks. I need a scholarship for study mbbs in Cuba. Kindly inform me throung e-mail my mail address is mohammadisrarahmed@rocketmail.com.
    Thanks.

  35. Dear Rana, I may agree with u what u say… but dear this is not the head ache of HEC or Cuban Embassy, there is problem with PMDC which is not ready to register u…..i have studied all documents…. all is well…. but …..when back to pakistan u will have to appear in National Board Examination conducted by PMDC as clearly written in NOC by PMDC and when u pass it u will b a doctor, no doubt, if failed then u will be rejected…. this is a risk of high frequency to ruin one’s life oneself….

    now its headache of students whether they study or enjoy with girls……..no matter…..because….. its ur life not mine…..

    I m Professor and satisfied with my life…Alhamdo lillah

    Sincerely yours….

  36. slam dears…….
    every thing is all right in cuba, no need of panic no tension, but all pakistan students have to appear in the exams of National Examination Board,Pakistan on their return.
    Question arises….. that these students were failed to get admission in MBBs in pakistan because they were failed in enterance tests…and admitted in cube without test by the formula 30% matric and 70% fsc, THEN….. by learning in spanish, how would they pass national examination of Board in english….

  37. salam, tell me plesae how can i take addmission in this university

  38. please tell me how can i take admission in it???

  39. Helo every body, i’ve done my fsc,now i want to get admission there in cuba, plz guide me.

  40. Salam, unfortunately when you win a scholarship you become a slave to the government masters. You slave for them by the set number of years, then you earn your freedom. I am from the UK and was interested in studying Medicine in Cuba. I am interested in viewing your conditions. Please reply and insh’Allah I would like to visit to see if it is as bad as you say.

    Remember the enslavement of Prophet Joseph and Prophet Moses for many years before they earned their respect and freedom, take care and pray to Allah for patience.

  41. i want to scholarship of mbbs in cuba plz plz help me

  42. I DONT HAVE HEIGIER PERCENTAGE BUT I WANT TO BECOME A DOCTOR IN CUBA,I AM PASSIONATE NOT BECAUSE TO KEEP Dr. WITH MY NAME BUT TO SERVE HUMANITY , M NOT RICH ,BUT I M RICH WITH FEELINGS TO BECOME THE BEST DOCTOR AND I BELIEVE IN ALLAH, FOR WHAT I WILL TRY INSHA ALLAH I WILL HAVE AMEEN
    I WIIL B HUMBLE IF U PROVIDE ME SCHOLARSHIP INSHA ALLAH
    AND ITS MY REQUEST TO U

  43. I DONT HAVE HEIGIER PERCENTAGE BUT I WANT TO BECOME A DOCTOR IN CUBA,I AM PASSIONATE NOT BECAUSE TO KEEP Dr. WITH MY NAME BUT TO SERVE HUMANITY , M NOT RICH ,BUT I M RICH WITH FEELINGS TO BECOME THE BEST DOCTOR AND I BELIEVE IN ALLAH, FOR WHAT I WILL TRY INSHA ALLAH I WILL HAVE AMEEN
    I WIIL B HUMBLE IF U PROVIDE ME SCHOLARSHIP INSHA ALLAH
    REQUEST TO U

  44. Dear All Pakistani Students in Havana,
    We the PTI really appreciate your efforts, dedication and patriotism. You are the future of the nation and since you all are aware that we are always forefront in raising the national interest issue.
    In connection to that, we are going to conduct a meeting with HEC to get into the matter for extending your study time from 6 to 7 years.
    Please all students are requested to send us the email at rym_rum@hotmail.com addressing your concern along with contact details so that we would be able to prepare the agenda for meeting with HEC.

    Good luck
    For PTI
    Pakistan Zindabad

  45. dear brother plz help me i have done fsc.with 83.5%marks how to get addmition in cuba for mbbs plz tell me procedure if you help me i give you some reward anyone plz help me my id ghulammurtaza597@gmail.com

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